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Michael Nazir-Ali
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While religious minorities are suffering from discrimination in many parts of the world, including some parts of the United States, they are satisfied with their rights and freedom enshrined in Iran’s Constitution.
Bishop Michael Nazir-Ali, the bishop of Britain’s Rochester, who arrived in Tehran to meet Iranian officials and introduce the first-ever bishop of Iran’s Anglican Church, believes that the Islamic country respects and observes the rights of minorities.
Iran Daily’s Amir Tajik met the bishop to discuss the status of minorities in the West and in Iran.
With a degree in literature, philosophy and theology, Nazir-Ali is member of UK’s House of Lords. He is a lecturer at Oxford University and has written nine books and several essays on relations between Christianity with Islam. Excerpts:
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AMIR TAJIK: Please give us an overview of the religious minorities in the Great Britain.
MICHAEL NAZIR-ALI: There are minorities of different kinds in Britain. There are racial minorities who come from Africa, Asia and the Middle East. The largest religious minority in the United Kingdom is the Muslim community and many of them come from Pakistan and Asian countries and all over the world. There is also a large Iranian community living in the UK. There are Muslims from Africa also. Between 5 and 6 percent of population belong to faiths other than Christianity; 71 percent are Christians and the others declare ’no religion’.
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How are religious minorities treated in the UK with regard to human rights and their social and political status in the society?
This is a developing story because when people first came, it was very difficult for them to observe their rituals and holidays, but gradually their position has improved. For example there are now many mosques or temples in Britain and minorities are free to worship or hold their ceremonies. In some cases, they have their own schools and the government is supposed to help them financially. They have rights in employment and they cannot be discriminated in any social aspect. But, of course, from time to time people do experience some discrimination for their religious beliefs. It has made some Christian leaders to tell local officials and even the government to respect the rights of people of other faiths.
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Are minorities free to have representatives in the parliament? Like they do in Iran?
There is no separate electoral system, so Muslims, Jews, Christians all belong to one electoral system. So you have to go and vote for people who stand in your constituency which is geographical constituency but within that Muslims and Jews and Hindus have been elected to parliament and members of both Houses. There are even Muslim representatives and recently a Muslim minister was introduced in the government.
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How far a Muslim can go in the political hierarchy of Britain?
Actually there is no limit to that. There is no constitutional barrier to prevent Muslims becoming prime minister or other governmental positions.
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How do you compare Iran and the US with respect to the rights of minorities?
Well, we are very pleased about the fact that the Islamic Republic of Iran ensures the right of Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians in the parliament. That is good and means that they have a say. However, personally I have always believed that there should be one electoral system and that everyone should vote for a local MP because if you don’t vote for local MPs, they wouldn’t care for you very much. So I think minorities are truly representative in the Iranian Parliament and that is very important.
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There is a great deal of propaganda about Iran’s violation of human rights or minorities’ rights. What is your opinion?
I think your own officials will admit that in the past certain excesses have been committed and some people suffered from that. But I am very happy to see that at present and especially in the government of (President Mahmoud) Ahmadinejad, the rights of minorities are respected. The Anglican Church, for example, has been treated with respect. It is a good sign that this government wants to put things rights and to allow religious minorities as much freedom as possible. We understand the sensitivity of the situation in Iran, but the people of Iran can only gain the freedom of expression, of thought, of belief, of learning through dialogue and that only happens when there is some freedom.
Let’s move to another topic. Do you believe Zionism has influence over the political system of Britain?
Zionism is a political ideology that arose in Europe in the last century. It involves the belief in the establishment of a state for the Jewish people. At first the Zionist movement searched for a good place in America and north Europe but later they selected Palestine.
The history of Jews in Iran is a very long one and it has nothing to do with Zionism. So I think the question of Judaism and Zionism are two separate things.
As with any other political ideology, Zionism has to be dealt with ideologically not religiously. However, the Jewish people have close contacts and connections with Muslims and Christians. We have the same prophets, divine books and religious rituals. While we may criticize some of the actions of the Zionist political state, that should not result in anti-Judaism. One of the elements of the Judaism as well as of Islam and Christianity is the respect they have for the Holy Land. Muslims call it “Al-Qods“, Christians call it the “Holy Land“ and, of course, for the Jews it is the temple of Kind David and so on.
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Many Western leaders, including former British Prime Minister Tony Blair, supported the Zionist regime unquestionably. Can we say that Zionism has influence over many Western leaders?
Yes, I think it has. What I would say is that what we want today in the Holy Land is that the Palestinian people must have political and economic rights and there should be a Palestinian state. And the Jewish people and Christians and Muslims must be enabled to live together. Personally I think that now the two-state solution is the only possible solution.
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The European Union has said it will not implement the US Congress ratification on imposing further sanctions against Iran. Does it show that the US has become marginalized in the international community?
I think the United States would be quite mistaken in pursuing a unilateral policy in this matter. With regard to the question of Iran’s nuclear activities, this must be a matter between the international community represented by the United Nations. So, I think what the Iranian government has to do is to only satisfy the United Nations’ atomic agency that it is not diverting its activities.
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So do you agree that the US policies against Iran have been marginalized?
First, the question of sanctions should be the very last resort against any country but if the question of sanctions arises, it must be raised by the United Nations not by the US or any other country. The European Union has said that it would not impose any sanctions on any country without the participation of the United Nations.
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As a member of the House of Lords, what do you think about the US anti-missile shield?
I do not have the technical details but the shield is supposed to protect Europe and therefore the European countries should decide whether they want to be protected by this system or not. It should also be cleared what the shield wants to defend Europe against whom? I mean if I want to have a fire alarm in my house, I should decide on it, not you as my neighbor or ally. So if the European countries want some protection, it is for them to decide on it and not the US. Technically the US cannot protect Europe without an agreement or something with Europeans.
Do you believe US policies in the world have damaged the credibility and image of its allies like Britain?
Any conflict harms the image of countries involved in it, but there are still some quite serious problems. There is this question of international terrorism and what to do about it. Iran is as much affected by it as any other countries. We can say what America has done has been wrong and something has to be done about it.
The liberation of Iraq has now turned into a very bloody conflict. The Christians in Iraq as well as Muslims have suffered from the war gravely. Nearly half of the Christian population of Iraq has been displaced. They have gone to Jordan, Syria or have moved in internal displacement. So I think what we need to do now is to continue the process of talks.
I know that Iran and the US have started these talks on the destiny of Iraq. It is a very good first step and I hope it can lead to wider discussions between the US and Iran, and can solve other problems that exist between the two countries. Iran is such a great civilization and such an important strategic country today. Definitely, the US and other countries cannot afford to ignore Iran.
Frankly speaking, can we say England is a partner of the US in its crimes against humanity?
I think now and in the future you will find that Britain is a critical partner. Of course, Britain has special relations with the US which will continue but that does not mean that what is ignored by the US like civilization or history of countries can be ignored by the Britain. Britain has much longer experience in many parts of the world and I hope that the US could learn from the British experience. The reality is that there is only one superpower in the world. We have to work with it and make sure that what it does is for the good of people. So I think critical engagement is important for that partnership.